From: Sylvina Tilbury on behalf of Highland HER Support
Sent: 10 October 2011 16:16
To: 'Susan Youngs'
Subject: RE: Craig Phadrig

Dear Susan

 

It isn’t annoying at all – we positively welcome corrections and additions and I only wish we received more from specialists like yourself. Having successfully displayed my ignorance in this area I’m even more grateful for your input! I will make sure our records properly reflect the importance of this find.

 

Many thanks again

 

Sylvina

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-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Youngs [mailto:susan_youngs@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 10 October 2011 16:04
To:
Highland HER Support
Subject: Re: Craig Phadrig

 

Dear Sylvina,

 

I realise I am creating more confusion --in the post-Roman period hanging-bowls were only made in Britain and later - 8th c onwards - in Irish territories. My reference to imports or loot meant from the rest of Britain into Anglo-Saxon terrritories in the sixth and seventh centuries.  So AT ALL and UK (then Ireland) are the same for medieval celtic hanging bowls. It's a very specialised area!

That does make your Craig Phadrig mould a very special survival, but there is such variety in the mounts on the bowls (eg the Sutton Hoo ship burial 3, all different) and they go on for so long that similar bowls must have been made not just in Pictland but in many places west and north of the Anglo-Saxons and eventually inside the terrritories that were conquered.

The only evidence for all this is just your mould. It is very,very similar to the metal mount on a hanging bowl found at Castle Tioram, Moidart, and given the rarity of bowl finds in Scotland that is confirmation we are looking at a real Highland product.  There is a waster, a mis-cast mount of a different style that was found in Wiltshire after river dredging, plus a slightly controversial lead piece from Birsay which may be a model,  to be absolutely accurate.. but that is all the evidence for manufacture we have for all types.

Thank you for your kind reply,  a bit annoying to be sent a correction.

 

Best wishes,

 

Susan

 

 


From: Highland HER Support <her@highland.gov.uk>
To: 'Susan Youngs' <susan_youngs@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011, 9:07
Subject: RE: Craig Phadrig

Dear Susan

 

Many thanks for your email about the recent article in British Archaeology. I must confess that the error that you mention escaped my notice when I was working on the draft article with Matt. I was aware from researching the site that the find was important, but I’m most grateful for the context you provide below. I hadn’t realised that is is the only provenanced evidence for the manufacture of the hanging bowls. Can I please check my understanding here – are you saying it is the only provenanced evidence AT ALL, or the only provenanced evidence in the UK?

 

Thank you very much for the additional references, which I’ll add to our record. I think I’m right in saying that the mould find is not currently mentioned in the education pack but if the pack is revised in the future I’ll make sure this information is included. Neither we nor the Forestry Commission have an education officer I’m afraid – Elspeth Mackay is an independent education specialist who was contracted by FC Scotland for this project.

 

Thanks again for your interest.

 

Kind regards

Sylvina Tilbury | HER Officer | Historic Environment Team
Planning & Development Service | Highland Council |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Youngs [mailto:susan_youngs@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 07 October 2011 17:25
To: Highland HER Support
Subject: Craig Phadrig

 

 

HER site reference MHG3809

 

I have just been looking at the new piece in British Archaeology no 121 by Ritchie and Tilbury, and checked out the links to the 'educational resource' and your own site, spurred on by the misinformation in Brit Arch that a bit of an 'escutcheon' from a hanging bowl was found at Craig Phadrig. The find was more important than that.

 It is half of a pair of moulds for making a hooked fitting for a hanging bowl. It is the only provenanced evidence for the manufacture of these special bowls (over 200 known in whole and part). These bowls are found mainly as imported luxury  items in Anglo-Saxon graves far to the south.  The type we know was made at Craig Phadrig is represented by two Scottish finds & some from much further south (Youngs 2009, 209-13). 

 

Your own documentation is full and accurate and  I attach some recent references for the Craig Phadrig finds - perhaps the correction could be passed on to the Education Officer?

 

R. L.S. Bruce-Mitford R. with S. Raven 2005 The Corpus of Late Celtic Hanging-Bowls with an account of the bowls found in Scandinavia, Corpus no. 113, pp. 314-6 (Oxford: OUP)   - all med finds discussed.

Ewan Campbell 2005 'E ware and Craig Phadrig' Appendix 1 in Bruce-Mitford R. with Raven S. 2005 The Corpus of Late Celtic Hanging-Bowls with an account of the bowls found in Scandinavia, 69-70 (Oxford: OUP)

S. Youngs 2009 ‘Anglo-Saxon, Irish and British relations: hanging-bowls reconsidered’ in J. Graham-Campbell and M. Ryan (eds) Anglo-Saxon /Irish Relations before the Vikings (Proceedings of the British Academy 157), 205-230    For Craig Phadrig & Pictish bowls see 209-13


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